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Subject: Circle Fakers Wed 29 Aug 2007, 12:55 pm

We know now that many of the crop circles that have been reported over the past twenty years or so have been faked as the culprits admitted it. Is it fair to say that all Crop Circles are probably faked and how can we tell if they are not?

Subject: Re: Circle Fakers Wed 29 Aug 2007, 1:58 pm

I take it you mean 'faked' as a crop circle being man-made and not the result of unxeplained phenomena?

I haven't researched the subject but, my instinct is that all crop circles are simply man-made works of art. Mozilla ran a competition recently called Firefox Flicks, where entrants were asked to create an original advert to promote the use of the Firefox web-browser; the winners were two guys who made a crop circle of the Firefox logo:

Subject: Re: Circle Fakers Wed 29 Aug 2007, 4:59 pm

It is safe to say that the many complicated designs are fake, but most of the more simplistic swirls are considered of unknown origin - after discounting whirwinds in corn fields etc

crop circles have been found around the world in areas less accessible than a south england field, such as paddy fields.

UFO sightings have also been seen at the same time as their formation in some cases.

Naturally the fakes have complicated the issue, but I am sure some genuine circles are overlooked these days as mischief making, whilst the complicated patterns get the free publicity.

Subject: Re: Circle Fakers Tue 02 Oct 2007, 9:49 am

If I rememebr correctly, they date back to at least 15th Century? Panflets of the "Mowing Devil" were distributed, I don't have the information at hand, but I could rake it out if anyone's interested...

But then, how technologically advanced is a plank with rope run through each end?
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Subject: Re: Circle Fakers Tue 02 Oct 2007, 12:28 pm

Your right about the Mowing Devil and there is very famous image of it I will try to put up.

I suppose back then agriculture played a major part of the local economy and any damage to even a small area of crops would be very serious.

It makes you wonder if the Devil just got the blame for some medieval pranksters or whether there actually is a phenomena that has been around for centuries.

Cirlces were very popular in the eighties and nineties, probably due to the hoaxers, but how common were they before that?

Subject: Re: Circle Fakers Tue 02 Oct 2007, 7:45 pm

Being a True Relation of a Farmer, who Bargaining with a Poor Mower, about the Cutting down Three Half Acres of Oats: upon the Mower's asking too much, the Farmer swore That the Devil should Mow it rather than He. And so it fell out, that very Night, the Crop of Oat shew'd as if it had been all of a flame: but next Morning appear'd so neatly mow'd by the Devil or some Infernal Spirit, that no Mortal Man was able to do the like. Also, How the said Oats ly now in the Field, and the Owner has not Power to fetch them away.

Liscensed, August 22nd, 1678.

This is said to be the earliest example of a crop circle which came about after a disagreement with a farm hand. The farmer ends up probably losing a lot of the crop as he cannot move it to safety on his own. Could members of the local community have got together, mowed it all by flaming torchlight. This crop was mowed, crop circles are flattened aren't they?

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In his book Circlemakers Andrew Collins poses the theory that Orgone Energy could be the cause of crop circles.

Subject: Re: Circle Fakers Tue 02 Oct 2007, 8:34 pm

I've never heard of Orgone energy. How does it work? I remember seeing a programme a while back about crop circles (A Discovery/Nat Geo hour long special thing, they did anohter couple of shows on Bigfoot and Alien Abduction I think), and they were out measuring the electricity or magnetic energy inside the circles compared to outside.

Subject: Re: Circle Fakers Tue 02 Oct 2007, 9:55 pm

How does Orgone Energy work? Does it work or even does it exist should be the question Wink

It is all based around the work of Wilhelm Reich who beleived he could store this natural energy in Orgone Accumulators. The Kate Bush song "Cloud Busting" is about Reich, Orgone Energy and using it to make it rain by directing it into the sky through huge funnels. The video is bound to be on Youtube.

Check out these sites for more on Orgone.

http://www.orgonomicscience.org/orgoneenergy.html

http://www.mystical-www.co.uk/reich.htm

I managed to pick up a book years on making an Orgone Accumulator and I know someone who stuck some tubes through a sky light trying to bust clouds Rolling Eyes

, which I am sure was done under strict scientific conditions Wink

Personally I'm not convinced. Explaining Crop Circles with Orgone Energy is in effect explaining one mystery with another mystery. We may as well blame the devil ourselves. Did that devil bring his own scythe do you think?

Subject: Re: Circle Fakers Tue 02 Oct 2007, 10:39 pm

Heh, kind of reminds me of "Doc" Sheils' "Elephant squid" Nessie theory. Laughing

You take one cryptid and turn it into something that has never been described in the entirety of the natural world (a freshwater cephalopod, let alone a giant one).

Yes I am a bit of a skeptic when it comes to these thigns (despite being deeply interested in the paranormal), but my motto has always been:

Seek answers in the mundane with hope for answers in the fantastic. Very Happy

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Subject: Re: Circle Fakers Wed 03 Oct 2007, 12:25 pm

Same here. Look for the natural explanations first, then concentrate your research on that what you can't explain. This way your not duplicating other peoples work and you'll get the most out of the limited time you have at these locations.

One of the big problems with all aspects of the paranormal, crop circles, cryptozoology and ghosts included is that they can be and have been faked. The trick is identifying the fakes as quickly as possible so that you just work on suspected paranormal activity.

I think this is where crop circles become a near impossible task to investigate. How do you indentify a good fake? How do you tell beyond reasonable doubt that it is created by some un-explainable event? Until this is answered what value is your research?

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