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PostSubject: Your Paranormal Experiment   Sun 07 Oct 2007, 3:52 pm

Have you got an idea for an experiment in the field of paranormal investigation? Why not post it here where we can discuss its strengths and weaknesses. If the idea is good, reasonably easy to do and not too expensive, the Mysterious Britain team will consider carrying it out for you and posting the results.

Please note that reasonable does not include trotting the globe or minisubs. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Tue 09 Oct 2007, 2:27 am

We use something on our team which ive never seen used anywhere else.. you may have heard of them though.. we call it a portal its made of heavy copper pipes i cant quite remember what our simon said was inside it, (il have to ask him again) in theory though it acts as a place for spirit to manifest itself.
when we hold seance experiments we sometimes place this on centre of the table and have had some interesting results with it such as we would turn it round in the dark at random times and people sitting opposite the opening would report that they were experiencing phenomena..
we have also video'd on nightvision small orb like lights actually appearing in its centre and floating outwards..
Has anyone ever used one of these before?

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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Tue 09 Oct 2007, 3:07 am

as noted elsewhere the orbs look like the usual problem with digital video recording with a light source close to the lens, dust motes reflect back as an orb shape - floating upwards is a clue.

The portal is interesting - why the shape? Why copper? Can you explain it?
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Tue 09 Oct 2007, 3:49 am

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as noted elsewhere the orbs look like the usual problem with digital video recording with a light source close to the lens, dust motes reflect back as an orb shape - floating upwards is a clue.

The portal is interesting - why the shape? Why copper? Can you explain it?
Yes i understand that orbs are mostly dust, insects, pollen etc.. but what made these ones interesting (and i dont mean the ones on the pic but of the video taken Laughing ) was that the 'portal' was placed on a table, spirit was asked to use it to manifest and these 'orbs' actually appeared in the centre of the portal and came out of it, may have been coincidence but it looked really interesting.

I cant remember the full details of the portal, it belongs to our founding member, Simon. Its made of copper because copper is a good conductor of energy, its shaped like a doorway for the spirit (if possible) to manifest in its center.. like i said im sure simon said there was something inside the pipes, i know its very heavy.. il have to ask him again because i forgot what he said it was.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Tue 09 Oct 2007, 6:26 am

Sounds interesting. I have seen portals similar to this on e-bay (see below) and was confused as to what you were supposed to do with them.

If those orbs are dust then they would be moving on air currents, so it might be interesting in similar experiments to monitor drafts. How close do you sit to the portal as maybe close breathing might explain it.

Is copper the best material for conducting spiritual energies? Have you tried using portals made of other materials?

This one is made of copper but is supposed to be Herkimer Diamond Crystal powered. Maybe something like crystals are inside yours. They look quite straight forward to make and it's probably something everyone could try.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CRYSTAL-POWER-INTERDIMENSIONAL-DOORWAY-PORTAL-3-FEET-TA_W0QQitemZ230178413590QQihZ013QQcategoryZ1523QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I used to do Oui Ja Boards years ago but never really tried a full on seance like this. How many people do you usually have sat during a session and are they always the same people? Are they all mediums and are the lights on or off usually?
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Tue 09 Oct 2007, 8:36 am

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Sounds interesting. I have seen portals similar to this on e-bay (see below) and was confused as to what you were supposed to do with them.

If those orbs are dust then they would be moving on air currents, so it might be interesting in similar experiments to monitor drafts. How close do you sit to the portal as maybe close breathing might explain it.

Is copper the best material for conducting spiritual energies? Have you tried using portals made of other materials?

This one is made of copper but is supposed to be Herkimer Diamond Crystal powered. Maybe something like crystals are inside yours. They look quite straight forward to make and it's probably something everyone could try.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CRYSTAL-POWER-INTERDIMENSIONAL-DOORWAY-PORTAL-3-FEET-TA_W0QQitemZ230178413590QQihZ013QQcategoryZ1523QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I used to do Oui Ja Boards years ago but never really tried a full on seance like this. How many people do you usually have sat during a session and are they always the same people? Are they all mediums and are the lights on or off usually?
That portal is much like simons although his is smaller.. i think it might well be crystals of some sort inside, i just know whatever it is makes it heavy! we have never tried to use one made of other materials.
i was about to bid on this because it looks cheap but i think i would rather one more portable than 3foot considering i carry all my equipment on a motorbike Laughing
We are mostly sat around a large table for our seances, so the portal would be placed in the centre but obviously table size and distance from the portal differs at each location, sometimes we may be sat on the floor in a circle others we may be standing, circles of different sizes depending on the amount of people at an investigation..
The largest seance we ever held i think was about 40 plus people, and that was at Margam Castle last year, some smaller seances though may just have 8 people.
Our seances always have at least some different people in them, for example new members who have just come for the night or the tenants of the place we are investigating (they often stick around through the night and take part) we have around 150 members now so theres always new faces! we mostly only have one or maybe 2 mediums sat in on a seance, and usually one stood outside the circle (usually our 'top dog' simon) keeping an eye on things.
We always work with the lights out with a general ghosthunt, our members like it that way Laughing

We use something similar to a ouija board, we call it a yes-no board, or glass swirling board.. basicly it just has the words "yes" "no" "goodbye" and a "?" and we use a glass instead of a planchette
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Tue 09 Oct 2007, 11:28 am

We could try a series of differant experiments with a portal to see which gives the best results. Just by changing one element we can keep some good controls in place.

Ideally we could start with the same group, same loaction, same portal, same distance from the portal and taking the same seance steps.

In subsequent attempts we could change one of the following, the location, the number of people involved, the distance from the portal, lighting and even the portal itself. Why not have an empty copper one too and see if that works just as well.

I know that making things into a science experiment might put those taking part in the seance off, but if they aren't aware of it might work ok.

Something to think about Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Tue 09 Oct 2007, 1:42 pm

I would really like to have another go at that dowsing experiment we did years ago, at the same place with the same people but done a little different. Whats your thoughts on that Ian ? Do you still have the contact ?
Or maybe a new location with new people ?

If you've had a bet with someone that i'd drag this one up.......you've won Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Tue 09 Oct 2007, 4:25 pm

dowsing sounds good. Ouija experiment too - that's a lot of members to keep - Spooks is doing a god job. Do you get your members to diary their experiences to compare notes?
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Wed 10 Oct 2007, 4:53 am

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dowsing sounds good. Ouija experiment too - that's a lot of members to keep - Spooks is doing a god job. Do you get your members to diary their experiences to compare notes?
What we do on a standard ghosthunt is we split our members into groups (usually 2 groups, depending on number of people attending) one person in each group will volounteer to be the scribe for that group taking notes of everything which goes on, what people feel etc.. groups are told not to talk between each other about whats going on in their teams until the end of the investigation at which point we sit down with a cup of coffee and see what each group has experienced and to see if there are any similarities in experiences, areas, times etc.. these investigation reports are generally typed up and stored incase we revisit that location again with new members and may want to compare them with any new findings Smile

Never tried dowsing myself.. maybe one day i will give it a try Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Wed 10 Oct 2007, 4:57 am

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We could try a series of differant experiments with a portal to see which gives the best results. Just by changing one element we can keep some good controls in place.

Ideally we could start with the same group, same loaction, same portal, same distance from the portal and taking the same seance steps.

In subsequent attempts we could change one of the following, the location, the number of people involved, the distance from the portal, lighting and even the portal itself. Why not have an empty copper one too and see if that works just as well.

I know that making things into a science experiment might put those taking part in the seance off, but if they aren't aware of it might work ok.

Something to think about Smile

I will consider this.. i may actually get my own portal as the one we use belongs to our Simon and he isnt around for every invetigation any more.. in which case its definatley something i want to invest in, i see they are only around £15 for the table top ones anyway.. the larger ones are cheaper!
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Wed 10 Oct 2007, 6:18 am

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I would really like to have another go at that dowsing experiment we did years ago, at the same place with the same people but done a little different. Whats your thoughts on that Ian ? Do you still have the contact ?
Or maybe a new location with new people ?

If you've had a bet with someone that i'd drag this one up.......you've won

The dowsing experiment…head, wall, BANG. Head, wall BANG. Never before has the pleasure I had on helping someone manage an experiment led to nearly thirteen years of constant earache and drunken debate. It wasn’t even anything to do with me….I just went for the after experiment pint. Lee, please don’t go on about datum points….for the love of God…Nooooooooo Crying or Very sad

The premise of the experiment was to disprove a claim that anyone can dowse accurately. As I am not sure that the same claim is still being used we would have to devise another experiment around another premise to prove or disprove. We cannot get access to the same location or people, which would ruin any experiment anyway, as they would know the location and have prior knowledge of what they were seeking.

It might be fun to experiment with the accuracy of dowsing though. We use two areas of a field. In one we bury an undisclosed number of identical objects (marbles, slices of plastic drainpipe, maybe stones painted red……anything that wouldn’t usually be found in that field) and the second is left empty as a control measure. The position of the objects should be exactly mapped, maybe even use GPS to get their exact location.

Leave the field for a week or so to let the soil settle so no clue to the location is visible. Then have a series of dowsers, maybe as many as five or ten brought to the site individually. The on site observer should not know the location of the objects or even know which zone is the empty area. The dowsers are told what the objects are and even given an example. They are told that objects are buried in both field zones. The dowsers each have a set time in each zone. Anything said to the dowsers should be scripted so each is given the exact same information. The independent observer accurately records the position where the dowser indicates an object is buried and all the results are reviewed at the end of the day.

You could possibly have them all using the same rods or crystal. Maybe carry out the experiment twice with crystal dowsers and rod dowsers to see who is more accurate.

This could of course also be done on a beach. You’d need to rake each zone between dowsers though so as to remove any foot prints and hence clues.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Wed 10 Oct 2007, 6:29 am

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What we do on a standard ghosthunt is we split our members into groups (usually 2 groups, depending on number of people attending) one person in each group will volounteer to be the scribe for that group taking notes of everything which goes on, what people feel etc.. groups are told not to talk between each other about whats going on in their teams until the end of the investigation at which point we sit down with a cup of coffee and see what each group has experienced and to see if there are any similarities in experiences, areas, times etc.. these investigation reports are generally typed up and stored incase we revisit that location again with new members and may want to compare them with any new findings

It sounds pretty much like what we do as standard. We'll divide the whole group into teams. Each team will be given a zone to cover, which could be a corridor with all it's rooms or a part of a garden complex etc. The teams can subdivide but no one is to be left alone or go anywhere alone. This lets everyone police each other and also it is more evidential if two people witness and event. After an hour or 45mins we meet up for coffee, discuss any findings and then the teams rotate to a new zone and the process is repeated. Everyone makes notes and in those notes take account for their own movements, noises and even photograph taking. (Note, camera flashes and noises could be mistaken as phenomena by other teams close by). We try to take environmental readings every 15 mins or so (temp, humidity, radiation etc).
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Wed 10 Oct 2007, 12:22 pm

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The dowsing experiment…head, wall, BANG. Head, wall BANG. Never before has the pleasure I had on helping someone manage an experiment led to nearly thirteen years of constant earache and drunken debate. It wasn’t even anything to do with me….I just went for the after experiment pint. Lee, please don’t go on about datum points….for the love of God…Nooooooooo

hehehehe, i can just imagine your face when you typed that. Sorry m8, i just had to do it, the devil made me Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Wed 10 Oct 2007, 2:17 pm

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hehehehe, i can just imagine your face when you typed that. Sorry m8, i just had to do it, the devil made me

An apology from Lee? Rarer than any ghost Very Happy

Seriously though I think the Dowsing experiment I suggested might have some value.
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Thu 18 Oct 2007, 12:07 pm

Do any of you try ESP or clairvoyance experiments?
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Mon 22 Oct 2007, 10:00 am

Ian wrote:
Do any of you try ESP or clairvoyance experiments?

I dont think we have.. can you give an example?
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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Mon 22 Oct 2007, 12:20 pm

A nice simple experiment would be trying Zener Cards which have been used since the 1930's. Wikipedia actually describes how to use them and the link is below. I don't think psychic ability and clairvoyance works the same way with everyone so this is not an ideal test, but it may prove fun to try and it is easy. Don't let the test subjects set any conditions for the experiment. Don't let them see the cards and don't confirm if they are right or wrong (there may be card counters out there)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zener_cards

You can print your own cards here.

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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Mon 19 Nov 2007, 12:05 pm

Looking back at the crystal powered, copper interdimensional portal that Spook mentioned at the start of this thread it reminds me of a conversation with Neil where he mentioned you can also get crystal powered radio receivers.

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PostSubject: Re: Your Paranormal Experiment   Mon 31 Dec 2007, 9:30 am

I've been thinking about the possible crystal radio/dimensional doorway idea again. It something like that fits then could it cause static electricity and hence account for the orbs (maybe dust) Spook first mentioned?

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