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Subject: Re: Here Come The Men In Black Thu 04 Oct 2007, 9:53 pm

yes the japanese balloon bombs were thought of as the cause for a time - but their existence was well known (an amazing invention the balloon used the airstream to fly from Japan all the way to America, but the only deaths attributed to them were a couple of civilians despite thousands being released). The farmer who initially found the Roswell wreck did know what these balloons looked like, as well as normal US balloons released over the area by the US airforce - in fact there was a reward for the return of the usual weather balloons.

Joined : 27 Sep 2007 Posts : 4

Subject: Re: Here Come The Men In Black Tue 09 Oct 2007, 10:05 pm

mmmmm, that last post was pulled pretty much verbatim off Wikipedia. In't the Internet a great thing.
However the $99 of fear on the wall could start a sing song going Wink

Subject: Re: Here Come The Men In Black Wed 10 Oct 2007, 8:28 am

I think Indrid is copying a lot of the mothman media - not as mad as witness Andy Colvin though - his website is a mess of MIB paranoia! Try harder Indrid :-)

Best paranormal song top ten? hmmmmmm for the mysterious britain karaoke party?

Age : 31 Joined : 12 Oct 2007 Posts : 233

I have already related the Frances Victor case in which an unknown man presented himself as an investigator of a major civil research organization.
He was accompanied by a strange smell and kept pestering the Victor family for more information. When they finally contacted the local police he disappeared: turned out he was using a false identity.
Was he a Man In Black or simply some kind of maniac?
A famous French case, the so called Dr. X case, involved a strange man who contacted the main witness, Dr. X. He was well dressed, with brown hair and blue eyes. He had the impeccable manners of a true gentleman, spoke a flawless French and drove around in an immaculate Citroen DS, at the time a very expensive brand new car.
He was once spotted (though this fact has not been verified) driving through the main gate of the French Ministry of Interior Affairs, the guards saluting.
Later he visited Dr. X accompanied by a dwarfish being with "mummified skin".
The Dr. X case is considered one of the best documented cases in European ufology but who was the well-mannered unnamed stranger? If he was some kind of government agent why was he accompanied by that small monstruosity?
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Age : 31 Joined : 12 Oct 2007 Posts : 233

It would appear that the Men in Black had something of a revival following the Stephenville sightings.
While obvioulsy some of the tales are either fabricated or embellished to draw more attention (and possibly money) from the media, there are some recurring patterns.
For example a witness claims to have been contacted by a "Man in Black" (I like the sound of it so I'll use it as catch-all term) who identified himself as an US Air Force Lieutenant Colonel who tried to strike a deal with him: if he would keep quiet about his experience, the noisy flyovers on his property by military helicopters from the Fort Hood army base would immediately stop. Apparently this high ranking officer has not been identified (should not be too hard) and we are left to wonder how an Air Force officer can so easily control Army activities.
This is consistent with many eyewitnesses of the '50s and '60s who claimed to have been contacted by military officers who tried either intimidating or cajoling them into silence. These officers are always quite high ranked (majors being the most common) and, more often than not, they turn out to be non-existant, at least on the usually accurate military records.
Also there have been a number of sightings of so-called "black helicopters". I have always been very cautious regarding these unmarked, unusually silent aircrafts: witnesses do not seem to be able to identify the model but there are not that many helicopter models in service around the world and a search on the Internet or a simple "aircraft-spotter" manual can quickly solve the mystery. This is never (or rarely) attempted by investigators: why not showing some helicopter pictures and ask "was it this one?"?
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Subject: Re: Here Come The Men In Black Wed 04 Jun 2008, 7:14 am

Umm.. No Offence To ANyone.. I Thought it was Only a Film...

Joined : 30 Jan 2008 Posts : 135

The sheer weirdness of MIB accounts is fascinating - the case of "Tiny" in Mothman Prophecies springs to mind. This element suggests that we're either looking at something that it entirely a product of imagination (there does seem to be a link between the surreal aspects of dreams and of some MIB reports) or the aforementioned definition from John Keel that has them as strange liminal beings. This second theory - admittedly a little "out there" - could well have scope for human imagination to still play a role.

Age : 31 Joined : 12 Oct 2007 Posts : 233

Matt, according to Dr Allen Hynek and other "scientific" UFO researchers what really defines a UFO as such is the astounding capability to manipulate the surrounding enviroment, including the witnesses' perception. Since we have no idea how this is achieved, yet is seemengly within the boundaries of known physics, we talk about "physical" theory as opposed to the usual "extraterrestrial" theory. The classic example is the following: you suddenly become aware that you must look at the sky, you do and surely there's your good old UFO there. Suddenly it's not there anymore: you haven't seen it go away or accelerate yet it's not there anymore and you know it's gone.
There have been a few disturbing cases in which a witness with a camera readily at hand felt compelled to simply look at the sky without snapping any picture. In my opinion this is much more disturbing than military men knocking at your door and asking you to "keep quiet" or turn over your UFO pictures or else...
Many persons seem to consider John Keel your average "weirdo" but when I started digging more into it I felt that his theories of extradimensional and limal beings may not be so silly as they sound. The present "multiverse" system of physics do not forbid them and, as usual, while we are wondering at the latest multistring theory even more advanced theories are being developed at physics symposiums all around the world: these will see the light of the day in 10-15 years and as a researcher put it bluntly "it would take me two days just to explain the basis to you and then you probably would know as much as before". Sometimes I wonder if studying chemistry was the right course of action...
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Joined : 05 Sep 2007 Posts : 97 Location : West Scotland

A little off topic but probably still relevant to debate: Has anybody read Supernatural by Graham Hancock. Some of his speculation is interesting especially about other dimensional beings and worlds (an explanation for the men in black?). OK, Graham is a mysteries writer, and his main route of experimentation in the book is to take copious amounts of plant hallucinogens used by tribal cultures, but he does touch on UFO experiences that seem to be mirrored in his psychadelic experimentation. It's a bit of a tome so you would have to read it to get the idea (Graham: publicity cheques in the post please).

Age : 31 Joined : 12 Oct 2007 Posts : 233

The only book by Hancock I read was the one about the Ark of the Covenant being hidden in Ethiopia (and I didn't even buy it). To be honest with you it's not my cup of tea: he may be a gifted writer, as sale figures surely tell, but he's surely no rational investigator journeying into the unknown.
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